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EP 5: Collapse as Catalyst
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EP 5: Collapse as Catalyst

Do We Need It to Be This Bad to Believe It Could Be This Bad?

What if the only way we believe in danger is by living through it?

In this episode of We Come to Lead, I ask the hard question:

Are we a country, a culture, a people who need collapse to finally believe the warnings?

I’ve been in rooms where qualified leadership was met with skepticism. Where vision was treated as fiction. Where the fire alarms I sounded were dismissed—until the building started to burn.

This episode is about that pattern.

It’s about the way belief gets delayed.

And the cost of that delay—on people, organizations, and entire systems.

I share my own experiences of being underestimated while trying to lead us away from crisis, and I bring in the voices of people I trust—leaders, artists, organizers—who have witnessed the same pattern play out again and again.

We talk about:

• The cultural fear of proactive leadership

• How unconscious bias disguises itself as “due process”

• What it means to be visionary and still be dismissed

• And how much further along we’d be if we trusted wisdom from anywhere, not just the top of the hierarchy

If you’ve ever led with clarity and been met with disbelief, this episode is for you.

And if you’ve ever ignored the warning signs because the truth felt too early, too uncomfortable, or too unfamiliar—this is your invitation to listen differently.

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